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Carlo
31-10-2007, 06:20
Cari amici, nell\'ambito del mio progetto personale \"va bene perdere, ma almeno capire perche\'\" vorrei chiedervi di valutare questa mano.
Devo classificarla come bad beat, e passare oltre, oppure ho fatto errori?
Io sono PescePollo

OMAHA_HI_LO, POT_LIMIT, P4-52859836-180
played at \"Mailand\" for USD RM from 2007-10-30 16:26 until 2007-10-30 16:28
Seat 1: Schmeltis ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: ironpaw ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 3: PescePollo ($23.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Hand84 ($12.25 in chips)
Seat 5: HowCanICall ($33.75 in chips)
Seat 6: tassiedevil. ($24.10 in chips)
Seat 7: FonDorn ($38.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Flashmendoza ($10 in chips)
Seat 9: nekkerlace86 ($29.30 in chips)
Seat 10: Gary Hill ($24.50 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
HowCanICall posts blind ($0.25), tassiedevil. posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
FonDorn calls $0.25, Flashmendoza folds, nekkerlace86 folds, Gary Hill calls $0.25, Schmeltis folds, ironpaw calls $0.25, PescePollo calls $0.25, Hand84 folds, HowCanICall checks, tassiedevil. checks.

FLOP [board cards: 5H,8S,3D ]
HowCanICall checks, tassiedevil. checks, FonDorn checks, Gary Hill bets $1, ironpaw folds, PescePollo calls $1, HowCanICall folds, tassiedevil. folds, FonDorn folds.

TURN [board cards: 5H,8S,3D,5D ]
Gary Hill checks, PescePollo bets $3.50, Gary Hill bets $14, PescePollo calls $10.50.

RIVER [board cards: 5H,8S,3D,5D,AC ]
Gary Hill bets $9.25 and is all-in, PescePollo calls $8.35 and is all-in.

SHOWDOWN
Gary Hill shows [ 7C,4H,5C,8H ]
PescePollo shows [ 3C,3S,4C,AD ]
Gary Hill wins high $0.90, Gary Hill wins low $23.35, Gary Hill wins high $23.35.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Hand84
Pot: $49.10, (including rake: $1.50)
Schmeltis, loses $0
ironpaw, loses $0.25
PescePollo, loses $23.60
Hand84, loses $0
HowCanICall, loses $0.25
tassiedevil., loses $0.25
FonDorn, loses $0.25
Flashmendoza, loses $0
nekkerlace86, loses $0
Gary Hill, bets $24.50, collects $47.60, net $23.10

OmahaPokerCoach
05-11-2007, 00:30
Carlo ha espresso, nel pieno possesso delle sue facoltà mentali, la seguente opinione:

Cari amici, nell\'ambito del mio progetto personale \"va bene perdere, ma almeno capire perche\'\" vorrei chiedervi di valutare questa mano.
Devo classificarla come bad beat, e passare oltre, oppure ho fatto errori?
Io sono PescePollo

OMAHA_HI_LO, POT_LIMIT, P4-52859836-180
played at \"Mailand\" for USD RM from 2007-10-30 16:26 until 2007-10-30 16:28
Seat 1: Schmeltis ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: ironpaw ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 3: PescePollo ($23.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Hand84 ($12.25 in chips)
Seat 5: HowCanICall ($33.75 in chips)
Seat 6: tassiedevil. ($24.10 in chips)
Seat 7: FonDorn ($38.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Flashmendoza ($10 in chips)
Seat 9: nekkerlace86 ($29.30 in chips)
Seat 10: Gary Hill ($24.50 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
HowCanICall posts blind ($0.25), tassiedevil. posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
FonDorn calls $0.25, Flashmendoza folds, nekkerlace86 folds, Gary Hill calls $0.25, Schmeltis folds, ironpaw calls $0.25, PescePollo calls $0.25, Hand84 folds, HowCanICall checks, tassiedevil. checks.

FLOP [board cards: 5H,8S,3D ]
HowCanICall checks, tassiedevil. checks, FonDorn checks, Gary Hill bets $1, ironpaw folds, PescePollo calls $1, HowCanICall folds, tassiedevil. folds, FonDorn folds.

TURN [board cards: 5H,8S,3D,5D ]
Gary Hill checks, PescePollo bets $3.50, Gary Hill bets $14, PescePollo calls $10.50.

RIVER [board cards: 5H,8S,3D,5D,AC ]
Gary Hill bets $9.25 and is all-in, PescePollo calls $8.35 and is all-in.

SHOWDOWN
Gary Hill shows [ 7C,4H,5C,8H ]
PescePollo shows [ 3C,3S,4C,AD ]
Gary Hill wins high $0.90, Gary Hill wins low $23.35, Gary Hill wins high $23.35.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Hand84
Pot: $49.10, (including rake: $1.50)
Schmeltis, loses $0
ironpaw, loses $0.25
PescePollo, loses $23.60
Hand84, loses $0
HowCanICall, loses $0.25
tassiedevil., loses $0.25
FonDorn, loses $0.25
Flashmendoza, loses $0
nekkerlace86, loses $0
Gary Hill, bets $24.50, collects $47.60, net $23.10

Saro\' telegrafico, nell\'hilow questa mano assomiglia ad una bela bad beat, comunque in dettaglio:
Mano di partenza complessiva, il tuo call ci sta tutto. Lui parte con una mano complessivamente + bassa della tua.
Nella mano high: parti da una mano mediocre e chiaramente come spesso accade finisci underhouse (full house + basso)
Nella mano low: ti frega il river in quanto ti manca il 2 e a lui viene l\'asso che gli completa il punto low.

In generale, avrei fatto un reraise al flop, probabilmente pero\' non avresti evitato la sconfitta visti gli stack esigui.

Ryu
06-11-2007, 15:37
Le giocate migliori in termini di espected value erano di raisare al flop, e nella situazione del turn in cui ti sei trovato era ancora una volta opportuno fare raise all-in.

Questo soprattutto in considerazioni degli stacks... Diciamo che e\' un colpo scritto e non potevi schivarlo ma c\'e\' modo e modo. Almeno giocando come ti ho appena descritto avresti massimizzato una eventuale vincita ed in caso di perdita avresti perso la stessa cifra.