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orson71
02-02-2008, 22:19
Come ho detto nel post precedente ryu ha dimostrato (se ce ne fosse bisogno)la sua bravura vincendo la sfida al razz di ieri sera...
Abbiamo giocato su due tavoli, in uno (table colo) la sfida è stata abbastanza equilibrata e ryu ha chiuso in leggero vantaggio, nell''altro (table Pick) mi ha praticamente massacrato.
Analizzando le mani a freddo credo cmq di non aver giocato malissimo, ho rischiato molto come mio solito ed ho impostato la partita foldando subito se pensavo di essere sotto e raisando e reraisando se pensavo di avere anche un minimo vantaggio.

Le mani decisive al tavolo Colo (le percentuali a fianco sono calcolate con un razz simulator) sono le seguenti:

prima mano allo sd dopo quasi mezzora di gioco:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5081517284: Table Colo (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:05:56 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($137)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($63)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [Kd 9s] [Ac]...........................................27%
Dealt to orson1971 [3c 5d] [9c]................................................73 %
orson1971 is high with [9c]
orson1971 brings in for $0.50
Dario Alioto completes it to $2
orson1971 calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [Kd 9s Ac] [Tc]......................................37%
Dealt to orson1971 [3c 5d 9c] [Ks]...........................................63%
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [Kd 9s Ac Tc] [3d]................................28%
Dealt to orson1971 [3c 5d 9c Ks] [4c].....................................72%
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [Kd 9s Ac Tc 3d] [7s]...............................0%
Dealt to orson1971 [3c 5d 9c Ks 4c] [2d]................................100%
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 raises to $8
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto: minchia tilti presto
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to orson1971 [3c 5d 9c Ks 4c 2d] [Ad]
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 raises to $8
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
orson1971 shows [5d 3c 9c Ks 4c 2d Ad] 5,4,3,2,A
Dario Alioto mucks
orson1971 wins the pot ($48.30) with 5,4,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $48.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto mucked [Kd 9s Ac Tc 3d 7s 8h] - 9,8,7,3,A
Seat 2: orson1971 showed [5d 3c 9c Ks 4c 2d Ad] and won ($48.30) with 5,4,3,2,A

qui ryu mi ha preso in giro per il whell runner runner (un gran bdc senza dubbio), ma in realtà ero in vantaggio per tutta la mano



Full Tilt Poker Game #5081768738: Table Colo (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:27:35 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($124.80)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($74.70)
orson1971 antes $0.40
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5d]
Dealt to orson1971 [6c 9c] [3s]
Dario Alioto is high with [5d]
Dario Alioto brings in for $0.50
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 completes it to $2
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5d] [2c]
Dealt to orson1971 [6c 9c 3s] [2h]
orson1971 bets $2
Dario Alioto calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5d 2c] [Ac]
Dealt to orson1971 [6c 9c 3s 2h] [3h]
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971: secondo me hai accoppiato
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 raises to $8
Dario Alioto: secondo me pure
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto: secondo me sei ubriaco
Dario Alioto raises to $12
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5d 2c Ac] [8s]
Dealt to orson1971 [6c 9c 3s 2h 3h] [Tc]
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to Dario Alioto
Dario Alioto mucks
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($32.30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $32.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto collected ($32.30), mucked
Seat 2: orson1971 folded on 6th St.




Full Tilt Poker Game #5082018568: Table Colo (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:48:16 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($146)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($52.50)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8s]
Dealt to orson1971 [2d 9s] [5d]
Dario Alioto is high with [8s]
Dario Alioto brings in for $0.50
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 completes it to $2
Dario Alioto calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8s] [Ks]
Dealt to orson1971 [2d 9s 5d] [5s]
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 raises to $4
Dario Alioto calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8s Ks] [4h]
Dealt to orson1971 [2d 9s 5d 5s] [8c]
Dario Alioto checks
orson1971: punti col K?
orson1971 checks
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8s Ks 4h] [3d]
Dealt to orson1971 [2d 9s 5d 5s 8c] [5c]
Dario Alioto: hmm
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto: dai
orson1971: vado per il full :-p
Dario Alioto: ti faxccio soffrire
Dario Alioto has requested TIME
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to Dario Alioto
Dario Alioto mucks
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($12.30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto collected ($12.30), mucked
Seat 2: orson1971 folded on 6th St.



Full Tilt Poker Game #5082108027: Table Colo (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:55:33 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($151.90)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($45.60)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [Js 5s][6s].....................................39%
Dealt to orson1971 [3d 7s] [9s]......................................61%
orson1971 is high with [9s]
orson1971 brings in for $0.50
Dario Alioto completes it to $2
orson1971 calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [Js 5s 6s] [Jc]..............................16%
Dealt to orson1971 [3d 7s 9s] [8s].................................84%
orson1971 checks
Dario Alioto checks
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [Js 5s 6s Jc] [6c].........................7%
Dealt to orson1971 [3d 7s 9s 8s] [Jh]...........................93%
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto: questa é interessante
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [Js 5s 6s Jc 6c] [2s].....................0%
Dealt to orson1971 [3d 7s 9s 8s Jh] [6d]...................100%
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto raises to $8
orson1971 raises to $12
Dario Alioto raises to $16
orson1971 calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to orson1971 [3d 7s 9s 8s Jh 6d] [4s]
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
orson1971 shows [7s 4s 9s 8s Jh 6d 3d] 8,7,6,4,3
Dario Alioto mucks
orson1971 wins the pot ($52.30) with 8,7,6,4,3
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $52.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto mucked [Js 5s 6s Jc 6c 2s 3c] - J,6,5,3,2
Seat 2: orson1971 showed [7s 4s 9s 8s Jh 6d 3d] and won ($52.30) with 8,7,6,4,3



Full Tilt Poker Game #5082157106: Table Colo (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:59:33 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($128.50)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($68.50)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8s 6h] [8d]........................................25%
Dealt to orson1971 [3h 6c] [2d]...........................................75%
Dario Alioto is high with [8d]
Dario Alioto brings in for $0.50
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 completes it to $2
Dario Alioto calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8s 6h 8d] [5c]...................................19%
Dealt to orson1971 [3h 6c 2d] [7h]......................................81%
orson1971 checks
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8s 6h 8d 5c] [6d].............................0%
Dealt to orson1971 [3h 6c 2d 7h] [5h]...........................100%
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8s 6h 8d 5c 6d] [Ad]
Dealt to orson1971 [3h 6c 2d 7h 5h] [Ks]
Dario Alioto checks
orson1971 checks
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to orson1971 [3h 6c 2d 7h 5h Ks] [9h]
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dario Alioto shows [8s 6h 8d 5c 6d Ad Ah] a pair of Aces
orson1971 shows [9h 6c 2d 7h 5h Ks 3h] 7,6,5,3,2
orson1971 wins the pot ($24.30) with 7,6,5,3,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto showed [8s 6h 8d 5c 6d Ad Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: orson1971 showed [9h 6c 2d 7h 5h Ks 3h] and won ($24.30) with 7,6,5,3,2




Full Tilt Poker Game #5082172536: Table Colo (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 18:00:50 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($116.10)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($80.40)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5c]
Dealt to orson1971 [9d 2d] [6c]
orson1971 is high with [6c]
orson1971 brings in for $0.50
Dario Alioto completes it to $2
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5c] [3h]
Dealt to orson1971 [9d 2d 6c] [7d]
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5c 3h] [8s]
Dealt to orson1971 [9d 2d 6c 7d] [5d]
orson1971 checks
Dario Alioto checks
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5c 3h 8s] [4d]
Dealt to orson1971 [9d 2d 6c 7d 5d] [Ah]
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to orson1971 [9d 2d 6c 7d 5d Ah] [6s]
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto has requested TIME
Dario Alioto folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to orson1971
orson1971 mucks
orson1971 wins the pot ($16.30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto folded on 7th St.
Seat 2: orson1971 collected ($16.30), mucked




Full Tilt Poker Game #5082225270: Table Colo (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 18:05:08 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($116.30)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($79.20)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
5 seconds left to act
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4d 2c] [7s]......................................52%
Dealt to orson1971 [7c 4h] [5d].........................................48%
Dario Alioto is high with [7s]
Dario Alioto brings in for $0.50
orson1971 completes it to $2
Dario Alioto calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4d 2c 7s] [Js].................................45%
Dealt to orson1971 [7c 4h 5d] [Th]...................................55%
orson1971 bets $2
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4d 2c 7s Js] [Jd]..........................38%
Dealt to orson1971 [7c 4h 5d Th] [Kd]...........................62%
orson1971 checks
Dario Alioto checks
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4d 2c 7s Js Jd] [Ah].....................41%
Dealt to orson1971 [7c 4h 5d Th Kd] [3h]......................59%
orson1971 checks
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to orson1971 [7c 4h 5d Th Kd 3h] [9s]
orson1971 checks
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dario Alioto shows [4d 2c 7s Js Jd Ah Ad] J,7,4,2,A
orson1971 shows [9s 7c 5d Th Kd 3h 4h] 9,7,5,4,3
orson1971 wins the pot ($24.30) with 9,7,5,4,3
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto showed [4d 2c 7s Js Jd Ah Ad] and lost with J,7,4,2,A
Seat 2: orson1971 showed [9s 7c 5d Th Kd 3h 4h] and won ($24.30) with 9,7,5,4,3



Le mani decisive al tavolo Pick:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5081365930: Table Pick (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 16:52:50 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($102.50)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($97.50)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4s]
Dealt to orson1971 [Ac 3h] [7c]
orson1971 is high with [7c]
orson1971 brings in for $0.50
Dario Alioto completes it to $2
orson1971 calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4s] [2c]
Dealt to orson1971 [Ac 3h 7c] [7d]
Dario Alioto bets $2
Dario Alioto: olle
orson1971 calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4s 2c] [5c]
Dealt to orson1971 [Ac 3h 7c 7d] [2s]
Dario Alioto: hmm
Dario Alioto: inseguimento eh
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto: hmm hmm
Dario Alioto has requested TIME
Guaddalaguadda (Observer): FALLO NERO
Dario Alioto: quasi quasi ti checco
Dario Alioto: sei drawing dead
Dario Alioto bets $4
Razz Champion (Observer): ah ha
orson1971 calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4s 2c 5c] [2d]
Dealt to orson1971 [Ac 3h 7c 7d 2s] [As]
Razz Champion (Observer): waiting for orson
Razz Champion (Observer): i like that guy
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto: doppia coppia eh
orson1971 folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to Dario Alioto
Dario Alioto mucks
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($16.30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto collected ($16.30), mucked
Seat 2: orson1971 folded on 6th St.


Full Tilt Poker Game #5081467267: Table Pick (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:01:37 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($109)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($90.50)
orson1971 antes $0.40
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8c]
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 4s] [6s]
Dario Alioto is high with [8c]
Dario Alioto brings in for $0.50
orson1971 completes it to $2
Dario Alioto calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8c] [7c]
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 4s 6s] [8h]
orson1971 bets $2
Dario Alioto: hmm
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8c 7c] [Ad]
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 4s 6s 8h] [Jh]
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8c 7c Ad] [6c]
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 4s 6s 8h Jh] [Qh]
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to Dario Alioto
Dario Alioto mucks
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($16.30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto collected ($16.30), mucked
Seat 2: orson1971 folded on 6th St.



Full Tilt Poker Game #5081651194: Table Pick (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:17:31 ET - 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($110.80)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($87.70)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
tabbue (Observer): dopo piu tardi ti va di fare un mini Hu di holdem con me? tanto per avere l onore di giocare con te!
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4h]
Dealt to orson1971 [3d Qh] [4c]
Dario Alioto is high with [4h]
Dario Alioto brings in for $0.50
orson1971 calls $0.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4h] [2s]
Dealt to orson1971 [3d Qh 4c] [8h]
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4h 2s] [4d]
Dealt to orson1971 [3d Qh 4c 8h] [6d]
Dario Alioto: mi spiace tabbe questo er aprogammato da una sett
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4h 2s 4d] [7d]
Dealt to orson1971 [3d Qh 4c 8h 6d] [4s]
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to orson1971 [3d Qh 4c 8h 6d 4s] [6h]
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to Dario Alioto
Dario Alioto mucks
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($21.30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto collected ($21.30), mucked
Seat 2: orson1971 folded on 7th St.



Full Tilt Poker Game #5081731224: Table Pick (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:24:23 ET - 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($127.50)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($70.50)
orson1971 antes $0.40
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5h]
Dealt to orson1971 [5c Jh] [2h]
Dario Alioto is high with [5h]
Dario Alioto brings in for $0.50
orson1971 calls $0.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [5h] [Jd]
Dealt to orson1971 [5c Jh 2h] [2d]
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 folds
Uncalled bet of $2 returned to Dario Alioto
Dario Alioto mucks
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($1.80)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.80 | Rake $0
Seat 1: Dario Alioto collected ($1.80), mucked
Seat 2: orson1971 folded on 4th St.



Full Tilt Poker Game #5081746390: Table Pick (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:25:41 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($126)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($72)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4s]
Dealt to orson1971 [6h 7s] [5d]
orson1971 is high with [5d]
orson1971 brings in for $0.50
Dario Alioto completes it to $2
orson1971 calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4s] [Js]
Dealt to orson1971 [6h 7s 5d] [5h]
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 raises to $4
Dario Alioto raises to $6
orson1971 raises to $8
Dario Alioto calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4s Js] [4c]
Dealt to orson1971 [6h 7s 5d 5h] [3s]
orson1971: e mo?
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto checks
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto: tu sei pazzo
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [4s Js 4c] [Qh]
Dealt to orson1971 [6h 7s 5d 5h 3s] [2s]
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971: e adesso? :-P
orson1971 raises to $8
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto: 4 bet con 55 in 4th street
Dario Alioto: postala questa
Dario Alioto is sitting out
Dario Alioto has timed out
Dario Alioto folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to orson1971
orson1971 mucks
orson1971 wins the pot ($36.30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto folded on 6th St.
Seat 2: orson1971 collected ($36.30), mucked

questa mano l''ho giocata così in 4th street perchè già due mani prima dario mi aveva bettato dopo che io avevo accoppiato e lui aveva avuto un J


Full Tilt Poker Game #5081812327: Table Pick (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:31:17 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($115.20)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($82.30)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [6d]
Dealt to orson1971 [3c 2s] [Ts]
orson1971 is high with [Ts]
orson1971 brings in for $0.50
Dario Alioto completes it to $2
orson1971 raises to $4
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto: mi sa che non l''hai capito il gioco
Dario Alioto calls $2
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [6d] [4c]
Dealt to orson1971 [3c 2s Ts] [Td]
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 folds
Uncalled bet of $2 returned to Dario Alioto
Dario Alioto mucks
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($8.80)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.80 | Rake $0
Seat 1: Dario Alioto collected ($8.80), mucked
Seat 2: orson1971 folded on 4th St.

questa in effetti me la potevo risparmiare :P


Full Tilt Poker Game #5081971672: Table Pick (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:44:28 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($116.70)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($80.30)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8c]
Dealt to orson1971 [7h 8s] [9c]
orson1971 is high with [9c]
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 brings in for $0.50
Dario Alioto completes it to $2
orson1971 calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8c] [Ah]
Dealt to orson1971 [7h 8s 9c] [5s]
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8c Ah] [7c]
Dealt to orson1971 [7h 8s 9c 5s] [Ac]
Dario Alioto checks
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto raises to $8
orson1971 raises to $12
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto raises to $16
orson1971 calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8c Ah 7c] [Ad]
Dealt to orson1971 [7h 8s 9c 5s Ac] [Kd]
orson1971 checks
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to orson1971 [7h 8s 9c 5s Ac Kd] [Js]
orson1971 checks
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto: hmm
orson1971 folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to Dario Alioto
Dario Alioto mucks
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($48.30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $48.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto collected ($48.30), mucked
Seat 2: orson1971 folded on 7th St.


Full Tilt Poker Game #5082143650: Table Pick (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 17:58:27 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($153.60)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($42.90)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
5 seconds left to act
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [6s 4c] [7d]...............................................45%
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 2s] [As].................................................. 55%
Dario Alioto is high with [7d]
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto brings in for $0.50
orson1971 completes it to $2
Dario Alioto calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [6s 4c 7d] [Jc]........................................19%
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 2s As] [4d]..........................................81%
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 checks
Dario Alioto checks
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [6s 4c 7d Jc] [2c].................................41%
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 2s As 4d] [Qs]...................................59%
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 raises to $8
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [6s 4c 7d Jc 2c] [2d]...........................36%
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 2s As 4d Qs] [Js].............................64%
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 2s As 4d Qs Js] [Qc]
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto has 15 seconds left to act
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
orson1971 shows [Qc 5c As 4d Qs Js 2s] J,5,4,2,A
Dario Alioto shows [6s 4c 7d Jc 2c 2d 3h] 7,6,4,3,2
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($36.30) with 7,6,4,3,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto showed [6s 4c 7d Jc 2c 2d 3h] and won ($36.30) with 7,6,4,3,2
Seat 2: orson1971 showed [Qc 5c As 4d Qs Js 2s] and lost with J,5,4,2,A

qui ho voluto dare deliberatamente una free card alla 4th street per far giocare dario, alla fine l''ho pagata ma penso di aver fatto la giocata corretta lo stesso perchè ero in vantaggio anche in 5th street




Full Tilt Poker Game #5082277624: Table Pick (heads up) - $2/$4 Ante $0.40 - Limit Razz - 18:09:23 ET – 2008/02/01

Seat 1: Dario Alioto ($156.10)
Seat 2: orson1971 ($38.90)
Dario Alioto antes $0.40
orson1971 antes $0.40
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8h 7d] [4c]............................................60%
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 6c] [Ts]...............................................40%
orson1971 is high with [Ts]
orson1971 brings in for $0.50
Dario Alioto completes it to $2
orson1971 calls $1.50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8h 7d 4c] [5d]......................................62%
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 6c Ts] [2s]..........................................38%
Dario Alioto bets $2
orson1971 raises to $4
Dario Alioto raises to $6
orson1971 raises to $8
Dario Alioto calls $2
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8h 7d 4c 5d] [7s]................................33%
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 6c Ts 2s] [Ac]...................................67%
Dario Alioto checks
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto raises to $8
orson1971 raises to $12
Dario Alioto calls $4
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Dario Alioto [8h 7d 4c 5d 7s] [Ah].......................73%
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 6c Ts 2s Ac] [Js]............................27%
Dario Alioto checks
orson1971 bets $4
Dario Alioto raises to $8
orson1971 calls $4
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to orson1971 [5c 6c Ts 2s Ac Js] [5s]
Dario Alioto bets $4
orson1971 has 15 seconds left to act
orson1971: sic
orson1971 calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dario Alioto shows [8h 7d 4c 5d 7s Ah 3s] 7,5,4,3,A
orson1971 is sitting out
orson1971 mucks
Dario Alioto wins the pot ($68.30) with 7,5,4,3,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $68.80 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: Dario Alioto showed [8h 7d 4c 5d 7s Ah 3s] and won ($68.30) with 7,5,4,3,A
Seat 2: orson1971 mucked [6c 5s Ts 2s Ac Js 5c] - T,6,5,2,A

qui c''era un ovvio check in 6th street, ma era l''ultima mano e ho voluto azzardare un pò...


Tutti i commenti (in primis quelli di ryu) saranno ben accetti....

Ryu
12-02-2008, 14:56
Ciao Orson, mi ero totalmente dimenticato di questo post, forse perché cliccando su "nuovi messaggi" non lo trovato, quindi me ne sono dimenticato, é stata paperetta a cazziarmi ( novitá ) e farmi notare che c''era sto post LOL .



Penso non sia il caso di commentare le mani singolarmente perché ho ben chiara la situazione.

Innanzitutto, hai avuto un approccio sbgliato all''HU. Dopo qualche minuto era ormai eidente -mi sembra - che io raisassi automaticamente il 90% dei bring in sfruttando il vantaggio della carta esposta che per forza di cose doveva essere inferiore alla tua se toccava a te il bring in.

Questo ovviamente tu l''hai notato e invece di fare la cosa giusta - che era di raisare a tua volta tutti i miei bring in - hai cominciato a infilarti in qualche inseguimento, é ovvio che alcuni di questi per forza di cose devono essere giusti, ma questo é irrilevante perché non puoi inseguire in quella situazione, poiché non puoi permetterti di avere una qualunque carta stonata sul board altrimenti rischieresti di stare ben 2 carte indietre ( o piú ).


Il fatto che tu abbia riportatole percentuali denota che tu abbia un approccio errato al gioco, le % contano molto poco visto che tanto per callare i bets si hanno sempre pot odds enormi tipo 1a7, 1a8 ecc. ecc.

Il modo migliore per spuntarla in un hu é quello di vincere piu piatti possibili uncontested, quindi costringere a foldare il proprio avversario prima dello showdown e allo stesso tempo esasperarlo in modo da portarlo a giocare con mani assurde in una sortia di "out of position" oppure di raisare fino a cap quando hai una coppia esposta !!!

Al razz se nelle carte esposte sei inferiore NON PUOI raisare punto e basta ( salvo rarissime eccezioni ) e inseguire un avversario che gia mostra delle carte inferiori alle tue é sempre meglio evitarlo.

La mia superaggressivita ti ha indotto a giocare nel modo ideale per essere sicuro di perdere!!!

Ricorda che questo vale a qualunque gioco, e piú sono i round di puntate e ancora piú difficile sará l''impresa di battere un giocatore aggressivo giocando OOP in un gioco limit dove peró ti sei scazzatoe hai iniziatoa giocare con mani non ecezionali.

fragiola
12-02-2008, 19:42
woww

ma paperetta ti ha suggerito anche la risposta?

no perchè mi risulta che ti massacra a sto gioco :)

Ryu
12-02-2008, 20:26
La papera veramente mi massacra a tutti i giochi é per questo che mi ha conquistato.

E io ho conquistato lei lasciandola vincere sempre ( come si fa con i bambini per intenderci ), sto cercando di convincerla di essere imbattibile cosi poi si gioca la casa e allora non ha speranze di vincere! :lol:

orson71
12-02-2008, 23:28
Grazie per i consigli dario, li ho trovati molto interessanti... penso che i soldi pagati per la lezione siano stati ben spesi :P

paperetta
13-02-2008, 15:03
Ryu ha espresso, nel pieno possesso delle sue facoltà mentali, la seguente opinione:

La papera veramente mi massacra a tutti i giochi é per questo che mi ha conquistato.

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Ah, musica per le mie orecchie, questo forum mi piace sempre di più :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

E vengo addirittura citata per le cazziate, wow, sono commossa! Ho notato una sottile vena polemica, come a dire che sono una rompiscatole, pfuì,:angry: illazioni prive di fondamento……(hihihi, tra un po’ mettiamo su la versione on-line di Casa Vianello :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: )

Vabbè, dàì, a PLO sei ancora imbattuto, anche se ti sei cacciato nei guai da solo: mi hai fatto giocare ai due tornei su FT in tuo onore, così ora la mia esperienza è lievitata, ho giocato ben 3 volte in vita mia al tuo giochino:blink: , stai attento che tra un po’…….B)