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    Comunque Conte dalla Gruber ha detto che non sarà obbligatorio e anche il discorso fatto a supporto fa capire che non lo sarà

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    Io spero che i neo vaccinati vadano di loro sponte in reparti covid a stretto contatto con i malati conclamati,stiano li dentro per 2 giorni senza alcuna protezione di sorta,e poi aspettiamo i veri risultati empirici per 18 mesi.

    Se i neovaccinati non si ammalano di niente e non hanno effetti avversi gravi allora che comincino le vaccinazioni di massa.


    Mi aspetto che tu sia uno dei primi volontari ad entrare a stretto contatto con i malati covid e rimanerci per 2 giorni.

    Lo farai,vero?
    I primi ad essere vaccinati saranno proprio gli operatori sanitari , da dicembre avvieranno negli Usa la prima vaccinazione di massa, in Cina notizie di corridoio dicevano che era in corso una vaccinazione su larga scala di una città di 4 milioni di abitanti .
    Niente da dire.

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    A man works in a Beijing packaging facility of Chinese vaccine-maker Sinovac Biotech, which is developing an experimental coronavirus disease vaccine, during a government-organized media tour on Sept. 24. | REUTERS
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    Western politicians have faulted China for initial delays in providing information as the coronavirus spread around the world. Now as Beijing develops a vaccine, the need for transparency is proving essential to win back trust.

    American drugmaker Pfizer Inc. and German biotechnology firm BioNTech SE announced this week that their vaccine appears more than 90% effective in stopping COVID-19 infections. The preliminary finding spurred a global stock rally and put the companies at the head of the pack in the race for the vaccine.

    At around the same time, China saw the final-stage trial of one of its top vaccine candidates halted in Brazil due to a serious adverse event. While Brazil reversed its decision in less than 48 hours, the episode underscored the fraught geopolitical tensions around vaccine development: Last month, Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said China lacks credibility and people wouldn’t feel safe with the shot “due to its origin.”

    “As China continues to push its own vaccines through the final stage of clinical trial in the midst of Pfizer’s announcement, the need for Beijing to address public perception about its vaccine safety issues is more pressing now than ever,” said Xiaoqing Lu Boynton, a consultant at Albright Stonebridge Group who focuses on health care and life sciences.

    For China, the stakes in developing a successful vaccine are high after a year that saw the outbreak in Wuhan further roil relations with the U.S., Europe, India and Australia. While Beijing quickly got the virus under control and sought to distribute aid to other countries, complaints followed about faulty materials and strings attached.

    The race to develop a vaccine has since become a way for China to show the world its technological superiority as the Trump administration urges countries around the globe to avoid Chinese companies for 5G networks, computer chips and big infrastructure projects. Distributing a vaccine widely would also help China regain some lost soft power: President Xi Jinping has promised that vaccines developed by China will be a global “public good,” and he joined a World Health Organization-backed effort to inoculate everyone against COVID-19.

    The “problem for me is global public good or China public good — it’s two different notions,” said Nicolas Chapuis, the European Union’s ambassador to China. While he praised China’s decision to join the WHO-backed vaccine program, he said many questions remain on distribution, price and international certification.

    “To be certified, samples have to be given,” he said. “Samples have not been given.”

    China has promised to prioritize providing doses for more than 60 countries, including governments that have received infrastructure loans under Xi’s Belt and Road Initiative. Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Morocco have formal agreements with China’s major vaccine manufacturers, and countries in Latin America and the Caribbean have been promised a $1 billion loan to purchase doses from them.

    Still, China’s setback in Brazil combined with Pfizer’s breakthrough “puts China’s vaccine diplomacy in jeopardy,” said Yongwook Ryu, assistant professor of East Asian international relations at Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore.

    “The issue is the lack of transparency,” Ryu said. “So the right thing for the Chinese government to do is to make its trial results and related information public, so that experts can scrutinize them.”

    China has already administered the vaccine, including the one from Sinovac Biotech Ltd. whose trial was just paused in Brazil, to hundreds of thousands of people under an expansive emergency use program. But none of the Chinese frontrunners have published any preliminary data from Phase 3 trials as Pfizer has done. Brazil’s health regulator is sending a mission to China this month to inspect facilities of some companies involved in vaccine production.

    Demonstrators carry a giant syringe as they protest against Sinovac's potential COVID-19 vaccine in Sao Paulo on Nov. 1. | REUTERS
    Demonstrators carry a giant syringe as they protest against Sinovac’s potential COVID-19 vaccine in Sao Paulo on Nov. 1. | REUTERS
    Chinese Foreign Ministry officials have hailed the progress of the country’s vaccines over the past week and said safety was of paramount importance. Vice Foreign Minister Luo Zhaohui said China was “at a rather front position in the world,” while spokesman Wang Wenbin said Thursday that the nation’s vaccine program “has been commended by many countries.”

    Chinese companies could still emerge as leaders in vaccine distribution: The inactivated vaccines would be easier to distribute in poorer countries than the double-shot from Pfizer, which requires costly deep-freeze production, storage and transportation networks. The setback in Brazil might actually reinforce the notion that China is serious about the safety of its vaccine, according to Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations.

    “It’s still too early to say that the U.S. has won the race,” he said.

    For the moment, however, governments across Asia are getting in touch with Pfizer to secure the vaccine and learn from the company. Pfizer’s results “have given hope” for many research programs that use similar technology, Nakorn Premsri, director of Thailand’s National Vaccine Institute, said in a briefing on Tuesday.

    Even China is jumping on board. Its drug regulator accepted an application from domestic drugmaker Shanghai Fosun Pharmaceutical Group Co. to conduct a bridge trial that would pave the way for the Pfizer vaccine to be approved in China. Fosun said it could spend tens of million yuan to build cold-chain logistics needed to store and supply the shot in China.

    With vaccine nationalism set to rise, it’s all the more important for Chinese companies to publish all their data and have it subjected to peer review, said Nicholas Thomas, associate professor in public health at the City University of Hong Kong.

    “If the world is going to trust a Chinese vaccine, then the information will have to be transparent,” he said.

    Yet even then, it still may be hard to get China’s adversaries to accept the vaccine. In India, where vaccine distribution to more than a billion people will prove a challenge no matter where it comes from, public anger with China is the highest in recent memory following a deadly border standoff that has dragged on for months.

    “Cooperation will be difficult given current levels of trust,” said Biren Nanda, a former Indian ambassador who spent a decade in China. “When not only India but even other nations can’t seem to trust China with their work on our telecom systems and electronics, it would be a tall order to expect trust in a Chinese vaccine.”

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    A man works in a Beijing packaging facility of Chinese vaccine-maker Sinovac Biotech, which is developing an experimental coronavirus disease vaccine, during a government-organized media tour on Sept. 24. | REUTERS
    Demonstrators carry a giant syringe as they protest against Sinovac's potential COVID-19 vaccine in Sao Paulo on Nov. 1.
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...accine-pfizer/
    Niente da dire.

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    China has given almost a million people experimental Covid vaccine, says company
    Sinopharm chairman claims there has not been a single case of infection after inoculation of officials, students and workers heading overseas

    coronavirus vaccine testing lab in lima peru
    Clinics around the world have been testing China’s coronavirus vaccine candidates.

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    Almost a million people in China have taken an emergency Covid-19 vaccine that is still in its testing phase, the company that developed the vaccine has said.

    Chinese authorities released the vaccine, developed by China National Pharmaceutical Group (Sinopharm), to select groups of people in July including Chinese government officials, students, and workers travelling overseas, before the vaccines had been proven to work.


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    Sinopharm’s claims, made in an interview with chairman Liu Jingzhen posted on WeChat, did not specify which of its vaccines had been given, but said the individuals had travelled to more than 150 countries around the world and “there has not been a single case of infection after inoculation”.

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    “Only individual patients have had some mild symptoms,” he said.

    Sinopharm’s two vaccine candidates are among five Chinese candidates undergoing international clinical trials because the domestic prevalence of the disease is so low. At least three – all inactivated vaccines from Sinopharm and Sinovac – have been approved for emergency use outside the clinical trials, and some local governments have reportedly allowed residents to take the Sinovac vaccine.

    In September, the United Arab Emirates was the first country outside China to approve emergency use of Sinopharm’s vaccine.

    The overseas trials have caused some controversy, in part because of a lack of communication from Chinese authorities. In August, 48 Chinese construction workers was barred from entry to Papua New Guinea over concerns they had been given an unnamed experimental vaccine.

    More widely, however, the decision by countries like China and Russia to go ahead with vaccination programmes before completing full testing, including large scale Phase 3 trials, has been viewed with concern elsewhere.

    Experts have warned that taking short cuts to internationally accepted approaches to testing and regulation could fuel a wider public mistrust over coronavirus vaccines and potentially reduce the uptake required for effective protection of populations.

    China has promised to supply multiple countries with its vaccines, delivering potentially conflicting promises to prioritise places such as the Philippines and nations in Africa. Addressing the Apec conference on Thursday, Chinese president Xi Jinping pledged closer international coordination on policies for development and distribution of a vaccine.

    About a dozen vaccine candidates around the world are in the late stages of testing, and as the mass production of vaccines gets closer, governments have begun prioritising recipients.

    Pfizer/BioNTech has already published interim data last week and final data this week showing its vaccine protects nearly 95% of people from getting sick. US company Moderna has shown similar results in interim data.

    Alex Azar, the US health secretary, said this week Pfizer would seek an emergency use authorisation on Friday for its vaccine. Infectious diseases expert Dr Anthony Fauci said both Pfizer and Moderna had shown “extraordinarily impressive” efficacy, and the US government “will be getting vaccine doses into people at a high priority at the end of December”.

    Meanwhile, the UK’s Oxford vaccine group has hosed down expectations that the 100m doses ordered by the UK will be ready by Christmas, saying it is not in competition with the other companies.

    The UK’s order for 40m doses of the Pfizer vaccine may arrive sooner, but its 5m Moderna doses likely won’t arrive until early next year.

    Additional reporting by Lillian Yang
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-says-company


    @CoppaCobram ho trovato la mascherina per te adatta proprio subito dopo il vaccino



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    Niente da dire.

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    Io spero che i neo vaccinati vadano di loro sponte in reparti covid a stretto contatto con i malati conclamati,stiano li dentro per 2 giorni senza alcuna protezione di sorta,e poi aspettiamo i veri risultati empirici per 18 mesi.

    Se i neovaccinati non si ammalano di niente e non hanno effetti avversi gravi allora che comincino le vaccinazioni di massa.


    Mi aspetto che tu sia uno dei primi volontari ad entrare a stretto contatto con i malati covid e rimanerci per 2 giorni.

    Lo farai,vero?
    Sono già immune in quanto positivo al covid
    ho azzerato il bancrool (cit. ASSOMATTO2020)

    beh c'è anche il gioco compulsivo senza regole, io per prima lo confesso,molte volte mi è capitato per sfogare la mia rabbia del momento... non si gioca per vincere ma solo per sfogarsi contro qualcuno... (cit. lucy80)

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    Comunque Conte dalla Gruber ha detto che non sarà obbligatorio e anche il discorso fatto a supporto fa capire che non lo sarà

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    Non lo sarà se la persuasione mediatica sarà sufficiente affinché le persone si vaccinino volontariamente.


    Nel caso in cui i dati mostrano un trend non conforme con quanto si aspettano stai pur certo che di riffa o di raffa lo renderanno obbligatorio.

    Di scuse per renderlo obbligatorio ce ne sono a milioni.

    1-se non sei vaccinato non puoi entrare nei luoghi della pubblica amministrazione,quindi poste,scuole,uffici vari,mezzi pubblici...

    Da lì a trovare accordi con i privati il passo è brevissimo e le aziende potrebbero obbligare i propri dipendenti o clienti ad essere vaccinati sennò non lavori o non compri.

    In pratica istituiranno il passaporto sanitario e l'identità digitale che è nell'agenda del great reset.


    Xi Ji Ping ha già proposto di usare il loro sistema di QRcode per chi deve viaggiare...

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    I primi ad essere vaccinati saranno proprio gli operatori sanitari , da dicembre avvieranno negli Usa la prima vaccinazione di massa, in Cina notizie di corridoio dicevano che era in corso una vaccinazione su larga scala di una città di 4 milioni di abitanti .
    Certo,a parte il fatto che i cinesi non sono volontari ma obbligati,e almeno qui in Italia i medici il vaccino anti influenzale non se lo fanno ahhaha


    Ho fatto una rapida ricerca e ho trovato 3 fonti diverse che dicono 3 cose diverse sulla % degli operatori sanitari che si vaccinano.

    Il migliore che ho trovato riporta una % di vaccinati appena sopra il 50%



    il 57.7% lo fa sistematicamente tutti gli anni

    https://www.grupposandonato.it/news/...tica-vaccinale


    Vaccino antinfluenzale, lo fanno 3 operatori sanitari su 10


    https://www.enpam.it/news/vaccino-an...anitari-su-10/


    Vaccino antinfluenzale, il 90% di medici e infermieri non lo fa

    https://www.nursetimes.org/vaccino-a...i-non-lo/22809

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    @CoppaCobram ho trovato la mascherina per te adatta proprio subito dopo il vaccino



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    AHAHAHAHAHHAH in Cina se magneno pure predator

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    Sono già immune in quanto positivo al covid
    Mi dispiace,spero che tu non abbia dovuto affrontare la malattia in maniera grave.

    Hai fatto il sierologico per sapere se hai ancora gli anticorpi?

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    Mi dispiace,spero che tu non abbia dovuto affrontare la malattia in maniera grave.

    Hai fatto il sierologico per sapere se hai ancora gli anticorpi?
    Per fortuna per ora no.

    Sono ancora positivo, appena mi negativizzo vado a fare prelievo
    ho azzerato il bancrool (cit. ASSOMATTO2020)

    beh c'è anche il gioco compulsivo senza regole, io per prima lo confesso,molte volte mi è capitato per sfogare la mia rabbia del momento... non si gioca per vincere ma solo per sfogarsi contro qualcuno... (cit. lucy80)

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